Agreed. Capitalism with its inherent caste system is BAD. I hope that as we evolve, predation, in all its forms, will cease. (With regard to Nature, predation certainly has its place but in a higher concept of life I like to think every life has a place which cannot be usurped. Human beings, though, definitely have no business indiscriminately killing animals for profit because if meat were not a readily available food source, consumers would adapt.) Capitalist ideology is fundamentally flawed in that it relies on a vast portion of the population to be uneducated and impoverished to do the work/take the jobs that those with better educations or family/sex/race advantages not only would not take but rely on to 'serve' them.... blue collar portion of population thereby becomes indentured servantry. If everyone were educated equally, businesses that currently take advantage of the existing structure would cease to exist and likely a prevailing balance would be imposed... capitalism basically fosters large scale imbalance within society and the low and middle class feel the effects of that balance. (education and healthcare should never be for-profit. they are foundational civil rights upon which a balanced society is built,)
AM wrote:
Yes, but in the food chain, even one animal consuming another (assuming the animals are native to the area they are in) helps both species equally in keeping a balance to the ecosystem. When a lion kills an antelope, s/he assists that antelope's species on the whole by keeping the balance. When the antelope eats a plant (whatever they eat) it assists that plant population by keeping it in check and assists other plant populations by keeping them from being overrun, etc. Human capitalism is very different.
When we exploit and prey upon nonhuman animals, they are purpose bred in filthy and environmentally destructive conditions doing the exact opposite of this. Even hunters are often hunting animals that were bred and kept later to be released for sport killing (despite the fact that many hunters claim to be controlling the animal populations).
Those humans being "preyed upon" usually do not benefit, nor do their ancestors, from being preyed upon. In fact, the way capitalism preys in the lower class, it often prevents others from growing or "progressing" or whatever you want to call it. This is not to say that one class is less evolved than another, but that one is far more robbed than another.
Exploiting impoverished sweatshop workers for new Nikes does not help those workers. It often prevents them from ever getting out of where they are, despite what large corporations would like you to think.
Pittsburgh, PA, USA
"It is better to light a candle than curse the darkness" -Chinese Proverb
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:55 AM, JC wrote:
capitalism has a caste system built in which promulgates a class
distinction in our society. not that we are 'taking something
from someone less fortunate' but more like we rely on those lower
(because of 'minority' status or lack of education or sufficient
wealth) in the caste to serve us while we in turn serve some
higher up on the chain... so yeah could say capitalism is kind of
a civilized version of the food chain in that those at the top are
sustained by those at the bottom and most of us that are in the
middle are caught between sometimes being 'preyed' upon and other
times 'preying' upon because our society dictates the confines
within which we can live and participate and to breach those
confines, while fostering long range change, can turn an
individual's life upside down because they operating outside of
the conventional norm. 'freegan' movement is the slow change in
the larger social conscience that will eventually usher in a new
paradigm for living...
AM wrote:
"Remember what you do is as bad as any
person who buys that same stuff. So, no matter how you slice
it.....freegans are as guilty of partaking in the same sinful
system that they claim to abhore."
With all do respect, this is completely wrong. Something taken
from a dumpster that was headed to a landfill or something
given to a used clothing store is not the same as buying
something new, creating more demand for it, and directly
supporting the unethical measures it took to make it. That's
pretty much the base of freeganism.
While I respect that you treat your workers well, I also
wonder the cost of some of the things you sell- where were
parts made and so on. I was unable to find all of your
businesses online so I couldn't figure it out myself. That is
not a shot at you. It's more of an observation that it's
nearly impossible to live in a capitalist society without
taking from someone less fortunate in order to get something
we technically would not need if we knew how to live. But we
don't so we get things we don't need (myself included) in
order to survive in this system. Try wearing the same thing to
work every day for a week. Even if you don't stink, it looks
weird to people, because we live in a society where you should
change once or twice a day. Something so simple can cause
someone to lose his/her job on occassion.
I also agree with Shoegirl on the slavery deal. Since I am
already writing a book, I will share a quote I like from
anarcho-primitivist, Kevin Tucker:
"Domestication being really the key issue... it's consumer
cycled. I would say slavery, and some people say wage slavery
isn't slavery and capitalism isn't slavery. Just like any
other form of civilization isn't technical slavery. If that is
the case... try to leave the system. See just how hard it
really is and then you'll understand it's just a different form."
Pittsburgh, PA, USA
"It is better to light a candle than curse the darkness"
-Chinese Proverb